Re: Thorunna florens for sthn Queensland
July 11, 2008
From: Gary Cobb
Concerning message #19027:
Nice to see another animal has been found! I found the same animal off Mooloolaba. Richard Willan has identified it as a colour form of Noumea alboannulata Rudman, 1986. If you look at it carefully you can see the marking are all the same. [see message #20913 ]
Locality: Shellacey Reef, Sunshine Coast, Mooloolaba, 20 m, Queensland, Australia, Pacific Ocean, 08 October 2007, Subtidal. Length: 24 mm. Photographer: Gary Cobb.
Cheers
Gary
gary@nudibranch.com.au
Cobb, G.C., 2008 (Jul 11) Re: Thorunna florens for sthn Queensland. [Message in] Sea Slug Forum. Australian Museum, Sydney. Available from http://www.seaslugforum.net/find/21562Dear Gary,
I presume these are the animals photographed in your earlier message [#20913] in which I agreed the spotted one was probably a strange colour form of N. alboannulata. Clearly I had forgotten about this strange colour form when I answered Bruce Wilkie's message [#19027 ] and tentatively identified his similar animal as Thorunna florens. After having been tricked over many years by some of these small Noumea - Thorunna animals, I hesitate to give confident identifications until I have a look at their anatomy. There are enough examples now of pairs of species which look almost identical externally, but quite different internally, to make me hesitate. Not even the orange patch at the front of the mantle in Thorunna florens is always present, and it can also be found in other species of Thorunna as well.
Certainly your animals with two rows of orange-ringed white spots link quite well with Bruce Wilkie's animals so I'll move it to the N. alboanulata page. But until its anatomy is looked at, I think we should consider any name we give it to be tentative.
Thanks for drawing my attention to my inconsistency
Best wishes,
Bill Rudman
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